This cookie is set by Google Analytics and is used to distinguish users and sessions. Far more importantly, Ive seen solids from the great Nitro Express cartridges, consistently about 2,150 fps, fail to penetrate on elephant, especially with the tricky frontal brain shot. While perfectly adequate for buffalo, I believe the .375 is marginal for hippo and elephant. Available in 12 and 20ga., 26" and 28" barrels. Records the default button state of the corresponding category & the status of CCPA. [4] World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. The __hssrc cookie set to 1 indicates that the user has restarted the browser, and if the cookie does not exist, it is assumed to be a new session. If you can handle the recoil go for it. Elastomer stock. This cookie is passed to HubSpot on form submission and used when deduplicating contacts. I never saw any bolt action fail to feed if it wasn`t "short stroked". 11 0. One comment: These modern cartridges are loaded to higher pressures than the .416 Rigby. At 200 yards, the 378 Weatherby Magnum has as much energy as some of the "legal" rifles at the muzzle. 470 N.E. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Installed by Google Analytics, _gid cookie stores information on how visitors use a website, while also creating an analytics report of the website's performance. When creating their modern .450/.400-3 load Hornady settled on .410-inch as the best compromise. My .338 RUM and my .338 Win Mag are both Weatherby's. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. Spotting this ram was down to pure hunting luck at 300m. Actual bullet diameter was .423-inch, already established in Europe as the 10.75mm. My .375 RUM is on a custom Rem 700 and I've taken it on two hunt trips to Africa. The world may never know. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". As I understand, the 416 Rem has since been dialed back from initial publicity specs. T/C's new .416 is a Rigby, not a .416 Rem and it is single shot. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. Yeah but you don't need to mistrust one rifle just to add another. No buffalo or elephant will notice a difference of 50 feet per second one way or the other. Boxes, International Addresses, AK, CA, HI, MA, CT, IL, NJ, NY nor DC residents. Ronnie MacFarlane ground his pole into soft mud and I did the same, getting some stability with one hand while I reached for the rifle in the prow. I'm getting ready to send it to Kirby for one of his "pain killer" brakes. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. It derives from the case for the .416 Rigby (right). Total Rigby production of .416s ran into the few hundreds. Recoil is pretty rough. Potomac River. popular .404 Jeffery was made in numbers that far exceeded the .416 Rigby. Then the 340 weatherby is just a tad slower and has some drawbacks but will have 3 in the magazine versus two with the 378's. So here is the question and dilemma I have Number 1. I hunt the big bruins with a 378 and it does a great job. I have the Rigby version which, when compared to the Weatherby, is a pussycat. With the addition of long bullets in these calibers I believe that they would be valid contenders for long range hunting in both accuracy and down range engery. The one bullet I recovered went through the upper leg, the top of the heart and lodged on the other side. The older 460 factory ammo at 500gr./2700 ft. per sec./8092ft. YouTube sets this cookie via embedded youtube-videos and registers anonymous statistical data. JavaScript is disabled. Available in 12ga., 3" and 3.5" chamberings. New brass was available from Jim Bells Brass Extrusion Laboratories Ltd. (BELL) and from Art Alphins A-Square. I"ve shot a few there with a pistol. High gloss Turkish walnut stock. A true rifle loonie is not required to justify his choice in cartridges solely on the merits of a given cartridge. That is hot, especially for a non-temp sensitive powder. Enter American handloaders. What Weatherby did was beef up the web some, on the 416 Rigby case, put a belt on it and stuff it full of powder and poof you have the 378 460 and 416 Weatherbys. It contains the domain, initial timestamp (first visit), last timestamp (last visit), current timestamp (this visit), and session number (increments for each subsequent session). Yesterday, I got my Lott out.. The 416 Rigby is remarkably effective on dangerous game. I have 300 rounds through it, which has punched lots of paper, taken one hare, and one gemsbuck. Would the 375 RUM have better case life? (Shooting Times photo) While a .460 Weatherby Magnum will have greater killing power than a .416 Weatherby Magnum is true. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. In terms of ammo availability, the .416 Rigby and Remington are the most common, probably followed by the .404 Jeffery; most of the rest are available from more limited sources. Dan the 400gr Swifts hold up perfectly. Available in 20 ga. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. Weatherby Vanguard .270Win Boyd's laminated Thumbhole stock Timney trigger Glass bedded barrel, action Vortex Diamonback 4-12x40 Dead hold BDC reticle for accuracy up to 700m Im an average shooter but manage 1/3" at 100m I Reloaded for this rifle Recipe will be included as well as 50 loads I previously prepared. I'm having a tough time deciding.so fire away with any thoughts or experiences as I'm open! I chose the Rigby because of nostalgia and personal taste in gun appearance and fit over the 416 Weatherby. Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . Its big brother, the .378 Weatherby Magnum, was introduced in 1953. My friend's father successfully uses a .340 Weatherby and .416 Weatherby to hunt elk in bear country.. Go with the 416. I realized it had been a long time since I took it to the range. There are significant differences. The elements were against us, with rain and mist making visibility poor. I have heard Rigby brass, loaded to the 40,000 CUP range, does indeed last forever! Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a .30 M1 Carbine round averages out to 960 ft-lb, while a .300 AAC Blackout round averages out to about 1350 ft-lb. The .375, on the other hand, can be commonly found with 250- and 300-grain bullets, and some manufacturers also produce 260- and 270-grain loads. I have a chance to pick up a .378 at a very good price, I don't believe the gun has ever been fired. Cloudflare sets this cookie to improve page load times and to disallow any security restrictions based on the visitor's IP address. 5,5 mm 5,6 x 52 R 500 Jeffery . A friend and I are seriously pondering making the trip to the Dark Continent to kill one of those ugly cows they have over there..local call them Cape Cows or something. Of course, you can increase the velocity on a big bore. Tell me what you need. I won`t hesitate to hunt anything anywhere with any of those four rifles, where "legal". All loads were tested at 100 yards. Must be 18 or older to purchase rifle ammunition. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. Hornady SP-RN 20-Pack The best brown bear tag in North America. reflex264. With a 250 grain Nosler Partition the .340 Weatherby produces a muzzle velocity of 2,941 fps and a muzzle energy of 4801 ft lbs compared to the .375 H&H with a 260 grain Nosler Partition that produces 2,750 fps as a muzzle velocity and muzzle energy of 4,367 ft lbs. It contains the domain, initial timestamp (first visit), last timestamp (last visit), current timestamp (this visit), and session number (increments for each subsequent session). It drives a 500-grain bullet to 2,600 fps, for over 7,500 ft.-lbs. Unfortunately, 40-caliber rifles and larger are required for hunting some species of dangerous game in various countries in Africa. Your thoughtsgun). The .30-378 Weatherby Magnum will drive a 180-grain bullet more than 3,300 fps. Google Analytics sets this cookie to inhibit request rate. I was running into very large pigs and after having one charge me at less than 5 yards, the 375 H&H just didnt stop it. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. Multiple camo patters available. Energy yield for both is 5,000 ft-lbs, always a good rule of thumb for the largest game. The rest of the group, including the more recent .500/.416 (Krieghoff), .416 Ruger (Hornady/Ruger), and current loads for the .404 Jeffery, all propel 400-grain bullets somewhere between 2,350 and 2,400 fps, with energies at or approaching 5,000 ft-lbs. Rather than an oddball limited to handloaders, the .416 was a common caliber! Mag. HITS HARDER. Too bad. WEATHERBY - LEFT HANDED MARK V .378 WEATHERBY MAG. This is the main cookie set by Hubspot, for tracking visitors. In the late1970s American PH George Hoffman wildcatted his .416 Hoffman based on the full-length .375 H&H case necked up. This lucite Cartridge Block is now obsolete, because it does not contain the new-for-2016 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum. The shot was taken at 250m due to the mist AND rain. Just enjoy it, celebrate it! Available in 12 and 20ga., 26 and 28" barrels. #1. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. To say that recoil from the 460 is stunning or stupifying would be a relatively accurate statement (a 14 lbs rifle with approximately 100 ft-lbs of free recoil without a muzzle brake, about 60 with the AccuBrake). Available in 12 and 20ga., 26" and 28" barrels. I'm not going to mess with that load. Further, it gets the performance with about 20 grains less powder. The now slightly shortened .300 Weatherby casewith smaller bulletsbecame the .257, .270, and 7mm Weatherbys. It may not match the exact item that you are looking at. I like the .300 RUM and wish I would have gotten the .338 RUM instead of the big Weatherby. This is ironic because the very first .416 Taylor rifle built was buiilt by Winchester.Bill Ruger kept a 77 in .416 Taylor for his personal use. The latter is only available from Weatherby, Nosler and HSM, while nearly every self-respecting manufacturer offers a .338 Winchester load. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. $3,023.99. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. 2750-2800fps with a .825 BC is like a .338 Edge/RUM/Lapua with more energy and a larger frontal area. The story behind Lott's desire to build a reliable .458 is pretty well known by now -- yet those real motives included having a case that would operate at lower pressures while giving just that little more than the .458 win promised but didn't then deliver. Capacity: Floor Plate. Developed by Roys son, Ed, the 416 is a necked up version of the 378 exceeding the power and energy of the 416 Rigby, the 416 Remington Magnum and the 458 Winchester Magnum. Yet, it still suffers from the poor rep it acquired for caked powder squibs, and solids with jackets that were too thin. Compare specifications of Weatherby Mark V 30-378 Wby Mag MAE01N303WR8B and Weatherby Mark V 30-378 Wby Mag MKCM303WR8B. Matte finish with synthetic stock. etc., and am always amused. In the .378 Weatherby, high muzzle velocities of 3200 to 3300fps help a great deal to generate hydraulic wounding on game weighing up to 600kg (1300lb). But, that is not the case if the .460 was not a high speed magnum,. This is a silly argument. So the ruger has an advantage of being a . This cookie is set by Hubspot whenever it changes the session cookie. Not only is the 378 Weatherby Magnum capable of taking a T-Rex, even from a safe distance, in the Mark V Deluxe it is a very pretty rifle. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. I found that the Hornady 500 gr solids showed 2.5 inches deviation at 8:00 (very sad), whereas the 500 gr Speer AGS was 1.5" at 12:00 (which is very close to optimum by my reckoning) at 100 yards. WEATHERBY ACCUMARK MKV 30-378 - Back to Inventory. Cloudflare sets this cookie to improve page load times and to disallow any security restrictions based on the visitor's IP address. The block also does not include the 375 Weatherby Magnum or the 220 Weatherby Rocket. if you have the same weight gun at 8.25lbs or 10.25 lbs with scope on one is a weatherby 300 mag and the other is a weatherby 30-378 what would there recoil numbers be I know that the 30-378 would be higher but didnt know the exact . When loaded to near Rigby velocity none of the famous shooters ever had a problem with cartridges sticking or being underpowered. In response, it is my recollection that Roy Weatherby's rational for the very high speed bullet was the effect of Hydrostatic Shock caused by the impact of a high speed bullet. HubSpot sets this cookie to keep track of sessions and to determine if HubSpot should increment the session number and timestamps in the __hstc cookie. It is built with a Monte Carlo style stock with grip panels and. Available in 20 ga. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. All ammunition is shipped domestic ground and an adult signature is required. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. The 460 has a trajectory of a mortar round (exaggeration here). Thanks for postFWB. The cookie is created when the JavaScript library executes and there are no existing __utma cookies. 1's in big chamberings pretty tolerable if you use iron sights--or get a small scope down low. One of my #1s has a redfield widefield 2-7x It has been comfortable. than the 375 but I can't dismiss the better longer range capabilities of the 378. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. 250 gr. When I shoot a critter, I automatically chamber a second round JUST in case. Those who whine about muzzle brakes should be advised that hearing protection should be used when shooting powerful rifles (or when observing) whether the rifle has a brake or not. Some manufacturers offer 450-grain loads, but those are few and far between. When I go to Alaska, I pack 2 boxes of ammo in my rifle case with my Mk V. Further, the case is not so fat, so you should be able to fit 1 more in the mag compared to the rigby. I have admittedly shown off with mine a bit, by punching holes through a 30-inch standing maple tree, etc. And, when .416 Rigby ammo was almost unavailable, .404 Jeffery (10.75x73mm) ammo was still loaded in Germany. Ill probably have another .416, and since I have a bent for nostalgia, it will probably be a .416 Rigby. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. Of course, with RCBS dies and Barnes bullets, American handloaders werent constrained by little details like case dimensions. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Nice rifles, great shooting. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Matte finish. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hunting+cape+buffalo+with+a+.378+Weatherby+magnum&qpvt=hunting+cape+buffalo+with+a+.378+Weatherby+magnum&FORM=VDRE#view=detail&mid=E7F35CDC0B14DCCDB7ECE7F35CDC0B14DCCDB7EC, Quote from: Marishka on July 07, 2014, 06:40:51 AM, http://www.huntinginafrica.co.za/more-info/minimum-required-caliber/, http://www.huntinginafrica.co.za/more-info/best-caliber-in-africa/, http://www.farrenglobaladventures.com/Caliber%20Minimums.htm, http://www.genesisafricansafaris.com/blog/?p=168, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=604175, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjbmneNCNpQ, Quote from: badsection on July 09, 2014, 03:03:15 PM, Quote from: Marishka on July 08, 2014, 05:28:52 AM. Google Analytics sets this cookie, to determine new sessions/visits. In times past there were many bullets that wouldn't. . Well, 2 pages of comments and no one answered the question. So, if you differ, what is your explanation for that? Ballistics and Drop for the .416 Weatherby Magnum Cartridge Type: Height: 2.913" Width: 0.579" Average FPS: 2720 Average Energy: 6373 Average Gr: 388 Recoil: 4.77 *Casing image above is an artist rendering and not a real photo of .416 Weatherby Magnum Ballistics cartridge. Google Analytics sets this cookie to inhibit request rate. Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. Yes on all of your pressure conclusions. The .500/.416 is loaded to lower pressure for use in doubles, and the .400 H&H is purposefully loaded down a bit. However, make no mistake, it is much more pleasant to shoot with a muzzle brake in place. 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