In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) "Great" means "large", not "very good". [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. I dont think we will see train liveries being changed for a while. . It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britains strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. Read about the differences between Britain, the. There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. Thanks. Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). Interesting mock up doublearrow on Twitter just posted: What problem is this supposed to be fixing? [7]. Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway . Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. We use cookies. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. I really quite like that now. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. The Blue Pullman sets retained their livery of Nanking Blue (albeit with full yellow ends) until 1969 when they were repainted in the reversed grey and blue livery. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? If you run across land borders you're going to get it. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. Well Id have thought it might be GBR Northern or GBR Southern. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. Question for the designers. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. [8][9], A fortnight before the WilliamsShapps Plan for Rail was unveiled, the Department for Transport gave notice of a 6.5million contract for Deloitte up to February 2023 as its "strategic change delivery partner: rail reform programme". Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding . During 2020, in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, all passenger train operating companies (TOCs) entered into Emergency Recovery Measures Agreements with the UK and Scottish Governments. Its not as if they need the advertising, nor do their brands carry the historic and emotional heft that the famous schemes of the genuinely private railways did. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Withdrawn 01001 is just visible at the rear. I suspect not many. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. Recognising this, the Plan for Rail recommended the development of a 30-year strategy to determine how best the railways can support Britain in the future. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. Due to the small number of units repainted it was common to see trains with two or more units in different liveries. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". The double arrow is still overused, though. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. JavaScript is disabled. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard. For locomotives used on internal British Rail duties, a separate livery of a plain darker grey was created. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. Most of this nostalgia is from people who aren't old enough to remember just how rubbish latter day BR often was. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. It'll be operated quite differently. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. This livery was known as Large Logo livery as each side of the locomotive was dominated by a full body height BR double arrow symbol, and had the loco number prominently displayed at twice the previous size. If it was, that format would not be used by: If you need any proof, they've also just done the same with 'Great British Nuclear'. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. In the days of signs being hand painted/stencilled on enamel I would agree, but it is so much easier to make stuff look good these days that there is really no excuse for this sort of thing. The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. At the formation of British Railways on 1 January 1948, early diesel and electric locos and the gas turbine locomotives 18000 and 18100 were already painted black with aluminium trim, but by the late 1950s this had been superseded by the same shade of green that was used on express passenger steam locomotives, although some locomotives were painted in a two-tone Brunswick and Sherwood green livery, and Southern Region electric locomotives were painted a light shade of malachite green. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. In terms of signage, here's what I was working on this morning: Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway, it's good", it says "we have spent the bare minimum, stick to your car". One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. No complaints really over the Rail Alphabet, I even like seeing it on old BR signage that still exists here and there. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. The Transport Secretary announced on 19 October 2022 that the Transport Bill which would have set up GBR would not go ahead in the current parliamentary session.[2]. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. Could GBRTT be right for you? The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. True. I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. Which does what it says on the tin. Agree, having at least 'intercity', 'regional' and 'metro' would be good. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. The British Isles in my old school geography books included the island of Ireland but I wouldn't have said that in my recent visit to the country! Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. I can only see negatives. The British Railway official livery for meat & fish vans (and other stock which normally travelled in passenger trains) was originally crimson with yellow lettering. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. We need more national institutions to give a British shape to life, and GBR should be one of them. Search for a trade mark - Intellectual Property Office (ipo.gov.uk), https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033, Somewhere along the West Anglia Main Line. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. As built it was a sort of purplish-red stripe with a lighter red shadow, then this changed to solid red in the late 90s/early 2000s. the handling/liability of pensions etc. It's the name of the island ffs. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. Or do you think TfL should change their look away from using the current font simply because it's been that way since the 1930s or whenever? From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. Incorrect: Britain and Great Britain are synonymous, referring to either the largest island of the British Isles (in a geographical context) or the countries of England, Scotland and Wales (in a political context). Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! Correct. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. Boris Johnson has announced that Britain is to have a new public rail operator, Great British Railways (GBR), in the biggest shake-up of the country's trains since privatisation a quarter. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. Feb 1, 2020. Not the terms I would have used but I see where you might get that impression. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. You are using an out of date browser. If they are going down the GBR route, which is just nationalisation with extra steps, it needs to look the part (the national part, not the extra steps part). I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. The Class 309 units worked between Liverpool Street and Clacton, occasionally also to Ipswich and Norwich and later upon transfer saw the livery briefly appear around Manchester and Birmingham. In 1986 the British Railways Board divided its operations into a number of sectors (sectorisation).The sector responsible for long-distance express trains assumed the brand-name . The infrastructure was privately owned and operated by Railtrack from 1994 to 2002, when it was renationalised and transferred to Network Rail. GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. The rail system is no more a public service than coach companies or supermarkets. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. Because it was a nationalised industry run by the British Government. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. If only we were to see a coherent joined up livery scheme to run nationwide like the picture above , however I rather suspect this will not be the case. The wholly superior vision of the Campaign for Equal Citizenship is long abandoned. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . though we may have to wait for a new govt for that to happen. One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: . InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. The attachments illustrate this. There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. Great Britain's railway system was built by private companies, but it was nationalised by the Transport Act 1947 and was run from then onwards by British Railways (which traded as British Rail from 1965) until privatisation, which was begun in 1994 and completed in 1997. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. The Union Jack will represent. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This idea often seems to pop its head up. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . It does look better than red. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being You are using an out of date browser. This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? JavaScript is disabled. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. 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